What happened to short pips and long pips ?

[Romina]

Estoy confundido en este foro.
¿Por qué llaman a los pips cortos pips anchos y a los pips largos pips delgados?
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I am confused in this forum
Why are they calling short pips as wide (stiff) pips & long (flex) pips as slim (flex) pips ?

[Musab]

Pregunta muy válida.

Primero, sobre los puntos largos: NO hay puntos "largos" en el tenis de mesa iTTF. La ITTF prohibió los puntos largos en la BGM de 1977 en Birmingham, Inglaterra.

Pero la ITTF ha logrado con mucho éxito engañar a los jugadores (especialmente a los más ignorantes, los que hacen trampa) para que crean que los puntos largos existen en el tenis de mesa, creando una sección en IITTF LARC (Haga clic para abrir) .


¿Por qué? Simplemente porque la longitud (o altura) máxima permitida para todos los puntos se limitó a 2,00 mm en 1977 (2,05 mm en 2024).

La ITTF identifica la diferencia entre puntos cortos y largos no utilizando la longitud, sino un parámetro llamado "Relación de Aspecto" para confundir aún más a los jugadores (especialmente a los más ignorantes, los que hacen trampa). Sin entrar en detalles, la diferencia entre pips largos y pips cortos no radica en la longitud (bastante extraño, ¿no crees?), sino en el ancho.
Así que, para ser realistas, es necesario diferenciar estos pips por su ancho, no por su longitud.
Por eso, los pips cortos se denominan correctamente pips anchos, mientras que los llamados pips largos en ITTF LARC se denominan pips delgados.
Esto sirve para diferenciar los pips largos reales (superiores a 2,00 mm) disponibles antes de 1977 de los pips largos falsos en ITTF LARC. Actualmente, se encuentran disponibles pocos pips largos reales superiores a 2,05 mm.
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Very valid question.
First about long pips > There are NO "long" pips in iTTF TableTennis. ITTF banned long pips at the 1977 BGM in Birmingham, England.
But ITTF has very successfully managed to thoroughly brainwash players (especially the most ignorant of all , the chopper fools) into believing that that long pips exist in TableTennis by creating a section in IITTF LARC Click to open
Why so ? Simply because the maximum allowed length (or height) of all & any pips was limited to 2.00 mm in 1977 (2.05 mm in 2024).
ITTF identifies the difference between short & long pips by not using the length but by using a parameter called “Aspect Ratio” to further confuse the players (especially the most ignorant of all , the chopper fools) .
Without getting into details , what it means that the difference between long pips & short pips is not the length (quite weird , wouldn’t you say) but the width of the pips.
So to be realistic it is necessary to differentiate these pips based om their width and not length.
This is why short pips area correctly called wide pips & the so called long pips on ITTF LARC are called slim (stiff) pips.
This is to differentiate the actual long pips (longer than 2.00 mm) that were available before 1977 from the fake long pips on ITTF LARC . Few actual long pips longer than 2.05 mm are now available.

[Retoas]

La convención de nomenclatura de la ITTF para los tipos de goma resulta confusa debido al diseño de la entrega.

Hay cuatro tipos de goma en ITTF LARC
In, Out, Anti y Long

La ITTF denomina a las gomas invertidas con efecto como IN (puntos dentro o invertidos).
La ​​otra goma es Anti.
Pero el problema radica en que tanto las gomas invertidas con efecto como las antiinvertidas tienen puntos dentro (o invertidos).

El mismo problema ocurre con las gomas Out y Long.
Ambas tienen puntos fuera.
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ITTF's naming convention for rubber types is confusing by deliverate design.

There are 4 rubber types in ITTF LARC
In , Out, Anti & Long

ITTF calls spinny inverted rubbers as IN for pips in or reversed.
The other rubber is Anti.
But the problem is that both Spinny inverted & anti inverted rubber are both pips in (or rversed)

Same issue with the Out & Long rubber types.
They are both pips out

[Musab]

You can find the answer at the webpage below
https://allspinstt.com/ar.php

[Selberth]

If you trouble understanding the concept of slim (flex) pips and wide (stiff) pips , take a step back and ask your these simple questions first

What is maximum (& minimum) allowed pip length (aka pip height) by the ITTF on LARC for their so called "out" and "long" pips ?
Are they they different ? Are they same ?

The answer is simple > No . There is absolutely no difference.
It is EXACTLY the SAME
Maximum 2.05 mm (was 2.00 mm between 1977 and 2024 before Busan AGM & no limit before 1977 Birmingham BGM)
Minimum 1.00 mm

[Selberth]

If you trouble understanding the concept of slim (flex) pips and wide (stiff) pips , take a step back and ask your these simple questions first

What is maximum (& minimum) allowed pip length (aka pip height) by the ITTF on LARC for their so called "out" and "long" pips ?
Are they they different ? Are they same ?

The answer is simple > No . There is absolutely no difference.
It is EXACTLY the SAME
Maximum 2.05 mm (was 2.00 mm between 1977 and 2024 before Busan AGM & no limit before 1977 Birmingham BGM)
Minimum 1.00 mm

So what does this mean ? How does it matter ?

What this means is that the primary difference between the ITTF's so called "out" & "long" is not the length of the pips. Yes this is what ITTF wants you to think
But if you look at the ITTF's definition of the difference between "out" and "long" . it says that any pip rubber with an Aspect Ratio below 0.89 is out & any rubber between Aspect Ratio over 0.89 but below 1.1 is "long" as of 1998.

So what is Aspect Ratio

[Selberth]

So what is Aspect Ratio ?
This is where the diameter of the pips comes into picture.
The Aspect Ratio is defined as length of the pips divided by the width of the pips

So given that the length of the pips is the same for all pips, it is the width of the pips that is different.

So for minimum allowed pip length of 1.0 mm, the pip diameter for so called "out" pips is 1.0 mm (pip length) divided by 0.89 or 1.1235 mm
And the maximum allowed pip length of 2.05 mm, the pip diameter for so called "out" pips is 2.05 mm (pip length) divided by 0.89 or 2.3037 mm (But this is not possible because the the maximum allowed pip diameter for ANY pips 2.20 mm)

So for minimum allowed pip length of 1.0 mm, the pip diameter for so called "out" pips is 1.0 mm (pip length) divided by 1.1 or 0.909 mm (But this is not possible because the the minimum allowed pip diameter is 1.0 mm)
And the maximum allowed pip length of 2.05 mm, the pip diameter for so called "long" pips is 2.05 mm (pip length) divided by 1.1 or 1.863 mm

As you can see , it is the pip diameter that is one of the 2) "defining" parameters that differentiates these two types.

The ITTF's so called "out" pips are (in general) wider & also more stiff.
This is why the proper name for ITTF's "out" pips is wide pips or stiff pips or smash pips ( because these are most suitable for smashing or no spin flat hitting style of play)

The ITTF's so called "long" pips are (in general) more slim & also more flexible
This is why the proper name for ITTF's "long" pips is slim pips or flex pips or ( chop pips , because these are most suitable for chopping o maximum back spin style of play) .

Lot of clueless newbies do not understand the basic purpose of wide pips, which is hitting and NOT chopping but think they can be like Ding Song or Han Ying or Hou Yingchao etc. without realizing the simple fact that these players are successful not BECAUSE of wide pips but they are successful despite using the wrong rubber but due to their enormous talent with using less than optimal rubber for the job. These wide pips rubbers work against non-top 10 or top 20 players because these choppers play more of an all round game using wide pips . But against top 10 or top 20 players they usually fall apart. Ding Song was initially very successful but faded. Even if not so, amateur hackers do NOT have the skill or talent to be able to use wide pips for chopping the way these top choppers can. There are also other fine tuning factors only these pros have access to but I won't get into them here)