Chop vs chop-block vs block .

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Chop vs chop-block vs block .

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What are the differences in the context of using anti or actual long pips (or even useless social slim pips on ITTF LARC)
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Re: Chop vs chop-block vs block .

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A block is a close to the table stroke right off the bounce or slightly afterwards.
Racket movement is very minimal.
In the context of anti vs long pips , quickest hand movements are possible if you have a lighter racket with OX pips.
This i one of the advantages of real (or even fake long pips over anti because anti MUST have sponge and can weigh more.
Even if you use thinnest available production anti probably 1.0 mm it could be bulky.

A chop-block is also close to the table stroke right off the bounce or slightly afterwards.
But your racket may be moving rapidly in a top to bottom movement to "generate" back spin io add to the reversed incoming top spin.
Again, this i one of the advantages of real (or even fake long pips over anti because anti MUST have sponge (per rules) and can weigh more.
In fact it is an even bigger advantage of OX long or slim pips over anti.
Theer had been no known chop blocker, if any, at higher levels, who uses anti (I am not talking about blockers. Even blockers, they may a few at best like Luka & Ayhika & Amelie)

A chop generally an away from the table stroke. Real choppers have been banned in 1977 with ban on real long pips.
There had been lots of fake chopper fools ever since using ITTF fake long pips
Anyway, there is no such thing as an anti chopper as there had been hardly any choppers if any at the highest levels who use or used anti.
Even the useless social fake slim pips on ITTF LARC are superior to anti for away from the table chopping. Even the pips used by blockers is better than anti for away from the table chopping.
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Now I am beginning to clearly understand why the (click to read) robotNazi controlled ITTF passes (click to read) rule after rule to limit the pips
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James Z wrote: ↑March 19th, 2025, 1:11 am A block is a close to the table stroke right off the bounce or slightly afterwards.
Racket movement is very minimal.
In the context of anti vs long pips , quickest hand movements are possible if you have a lighter racket with OX pips.
This i one of the advantages of real (or even fake long pips over anti because anti MUST have sponge and can weigh more.
Even if you use thinnest available production anti probably 1.0 mm it could be bulky.

A chop-block is also close to the table stroke right off the bounce or slightly afterwards.
But your racket may be moving rapidly in a top to bottom movement to "generate" back spin io add to the reversed incoming top spin.
Again, this i one of the advantages of real (or even fake long pips over anti because anti MUST have sponge (per rules) and can weigh more.
In fact it is an even bigger advantage of OX long or slim pips over anti.
Theer had been no known chop blocker, if any, at higher levels, who uses anti (I am not talking about blockers. Even blockers, they may a few at best like Luka & Ayhika & Amelie)

A chop generally an away from the table stroke. Real choppers have been banned in 1977 with ban on real long pips.
There had been lots of fake chopper fools ever since using ITTF fake long pips
Anyway, there is no such thing as an anti chopper as there had been hardly any choppers if any at the highest levels who use or used anti.
Even the useless social fake slim pips on ITTF LARC are superior to anti for away from the table chopping. Even the pips used by blockers is better than anti for away from the table chopping.
What about wide pips ? Can I just use wide pips instead of slim pips or anti or long pips >
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Re: Chop vs chop-block vs block .

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Slepy wrote: ↑March 19th, 2025, 1:34 am What about wide pips ? Can I just use wide pips instead of slim pips or anti or long pips >
Wide pips is incorrectly called short pips or out on ITTF LARC because both wide & slim pips & medium pips or long pips are all pips "out" so it is confusing by design by ITTF , not me ,
Wide pips while is theoretically the best rubber in tabletennis, is strictly a forehand rubber with very few exceptions.
Wide pips is far worse than anti for backhand especially for amateurs.
Because you need to have the reflexes to be able to stay at the table and take every block right off the bounce.
Chop blocking is next to useless because of either sponge under the pips as well as the relatively higher stiffness of wide pips (in fact this is also a key difference between wide pips & ITTF slim (or real long) pips.......slim or long pips are usually more flexible than wide pips and provide more back spin in a chop block). Also it is much much harder for an amateur to chop block using wide pips compared to even anti let alone real long pips or ITTF slim pips.
Another big problem with wide pips is that you are basically useless once you leave the table, even at mid distances. This is true not only for backhand but forehand as well. This is why you need to be the most talented player with also the best reflexes to use wide pips even on your forehand .
This is why wide pips is the absolute worst rubber for backhand especially for amateur players
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So what are the best currently available rubbers for away from the table choppers ?
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Re: Chop vs chop-block vs block .

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Spin Slicer wrote: ↑April 1st, 2025, 4:51 pm So what are the best currently available rubbers for away from the table choppers ?
LOL

Thre are no rubbers in the 40+ plastic ball ONLY era (after 2014) for away from the table choppers,

Actually there were no rubbers for away from the table choppers even in the 40-celluloid ball era (2000 to 2014)

There were a few rubbers in the 38 mm celluloid ball era (before 2000) but even those rubbers were not suficient,

Long pips were banned by ITTF around 1977 . The slim pips (which is still deceptively called "long" pips by the TT to fool the ignorant clueless choppers) were further restricted in by setting the Aspect Ratio of slim pips at 1.3 (which essentially increased the minimum allowed thickness of slim pips to render them less functional back spin wise to preserve the effectiveness of spein glued loops of robotNazis ) . As if it was not enough therobotNazi controlled ITTF further reduced the Aspect Ratio of slim pips from 1.3 to 1.1 (which increased AGAIN the minimum allowed thickness of slim pips to render them even less functional back spin wise to further preserve the effectiveness of spein glued as well as boosted loops of robotNazis

The slim pips rubbers deceptively listed as "long" on ITTF are functionally useless social rubbers. a few of thenm may work for all aroun players or at the table chop-blockers but there are absolutely zero rubbers for away from the table choppers on ITTF LARC
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If you want to be effective playing close to the table you have to master the chop-block not only close to the table also inside the table so be prepared for a long journey to master but once mastered you will enjoy a lot of.
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