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As for as rubbers go, I cannot recommend any slim (flex) pips on ITTF LATC because they are useless in the 40+ plastic ball only era. I use actual long(flex) pips . TTGuy , do NOT use sponge for pips. Use only OX. It has much better control. Sponge feels ok if you are coming from inverted but spong...

Yet to try C 801. I am using Mo Avalox. Good blocking rubber I do not know how treated rubbers are because I see no point in use them. Mostly because it give excuse for pips haters especially those who boosting to complain. I think pips players should work with manufacturers to provide them with pip...