Do you think He Zhiwen could have been the GOAT and not Joo Sae-hyuk
Posted: February 16th, 2026, 11:41 am
Most rational minded players understand why Joo Sae-hyuk is the real GOAT of all of table tennis
But I always wondered about this.
He Zhiwen is a Chinese born TPG (Traditional Penhold Grip) wide pips with sponge player who played for Spain
He Zhiwen is an incredible natural athlete and all wide pips players have to be , to play at such high level
Even well past his prime he had beaten players like Ryu Seung-min , the 2004 Olympic gold medalist
Even more amazing that he was one of best serves in the sport even using wide pips.
For those who are not aware wide pips sit right in the middle of the spin continuum and have the least spin production capability since by design wide pips are mostly flat hitting rubbers.
One can generate some spin but not top spins anywhere close to common law illegally boosted spinny inverted rubbers or produce back actual non ITTF real long pips.
Also he has to have the most incredible reflexes of any player I have seen even at the highest level because I have never ever seen him leave the table for lobing etc.
All that I am not sure if he had lived up to his potential.
His not playing RPG (Reverse Penhold Grip)or HPG (Hybrid Penhold Grip) was not an issue.
But I had to wonder if he would have been the GOAT if had some sort of spinny inverted rubber on the off side .
All he had to do was twiddle just to serve and twiddle back to his normal wide pips.
His serves would have been even more devastatingly effective using spinny inverted.
This is exactly what the many time USA champion David Zhuang did
David Zhuang is Chinese born & I heard was a school mate of 2 times wide pips world champion TPG penholder Jiang JiaLiang)
I think he probably can still do some damage even at his age (64) now especially if he also played some HPG like Liu GuoLiang
This could be a lesson for all future aspiring TPG players
But I always wondered about this.
He Zhiwen is a Chinese born TPG (Traditional Penhold Grip) wide pips with sponge player who played for Spain
He Zhiwen is an incredible natural athlete and all wide pips players have to be , to play at such high level
Even well past his prime he had beaten players like Ryu Seung-min , the 2004 Olympic gold medalist
Even more amazing that he was one of best serves in the sport even using wide pips.
For those who are not aware wide pips sit right in the middle of the spin continuum and have the least spin production capability since by design wide pips are mostly flat hitting rubbers.
One can generate some spin but not top spins anywhere close to common law illegally boosted spinny inverted rubbers or produce back actual non ITTF real long pips.
Also he has to have the most incredible reflexes of any player I have seen even at the highest level because I have never ever seen him leave the table for lobing etc.
All that I am not sure if he had lived up to his potential.
His not playing RPG (Reverse Penhold Grip)or HPG (Hybrid Penhold Grip) was not an issue.
But I had to wonder if he would have been the GOAT if had some sort of spinny inverted rubber on the off side .
All he had to do was twiddle just to serve and twiddle back to his normal wide pips.
His serves would have been even more devastatingly effective using spinny inverted.
This is exactly what the many time USA champion David Zhuang did
David Zhuang is Chinese born & I heard was a school mate of 2 times wide pips world champion TPG penholder Jiang JiaLiang)
I think he probably can still do some damage even at his age (64) now especially if he also played some HPG like Liu GuoLiang
This could be a lesson for all future aspiring TPG players